Say It Isn’t So, Joe! Wurzelbacher Not A Real $250K Plumber?

October 16, 2008 · Filed Under 2008 Election, Barack Obama, John McCain 

Joe The Plumber, aka Joe Wurzelbacher, the Toledo plumber who became the hot topic of the last Presidential debate due to his rope-line confrontation with  Barack Obama’s over the Democratic candidate’s tax plan, may not be a plumber, and may not be planning to buy a plumbing business where he will be netting $250,000 a year.

He isn’t in the Toledo Yellow Pages, he isn’t registered to vote and it’s more likely that his existence as a plumber buying a $250K business is as sincere as Sarah Palin asking Joe Biden if she can call him “Joe.”

Isn’t it interesting that Joe is buying a business that is making a profit of exactly $250K, the Obama tax break minimum. If we’re talking a business that is bottom lining at $250K, a standard business acquisition falls into the 4 to 1 investment area, which would call for Joe

is buying a business that is making a profit of exactly $250K, the Obama tax break minimum. A normal business acquisition falls into the 4 to 1 investment area, which would call for Joe to come up with $1,000,000 to purchase his $250K business.  If that plumbing business had assets like trucks, equipment and offices, the cost could be far more.

Add to that Wurzelbacher doesn’t appear in the Toledo Yellow Pages listings, yet has been able to put together at least a million to invest, especially in these dire economic times, you begin to wonder whether Joe is a plumber or did someone in the McCain campaign find him in central casting?

Most important, if he is really a plumber, where’ the ass crack?

Developing.

Update: Seems Joe is registered under another first name, but unless he gets a ton of Republican-based good fortune, he has no where near enough money to acquire a business that nets $250K a year.   This seems to be the thought process of many on the right who dream high but actually live in a world  where they vote against their own best interest today.  There’s nothing wrong with having nice dreams and goals.   What is sad is people buying into Republican leaders and their radio cheerleaders who are making zillions preying off  those dreams.

 Steve

Comments

87 Responses to “Say It Isn’t So, Joe! Wurzelbacher Not A Real $250K Plumber?”

  1. pete on October 16th, 2008 12:29 pm

    a news source has reported “joe” isn’t on the list of voters in ohio either.

  2. Lyle VerHulst on October 16th, 2008 12:49 pm

    If Joe the plumber is able to by his dream business, then I would think he would be happy to hear that all his potential customers might have enough money to call for his services. Helping the middle class with the (redistribution of wealth) would still be to his advantage. So what’s his beef other than an alternative reason to be in front of Oboma with his tale of hardship prior to the last debate? I really question the motives behind this chance meeting. Remember Joe we are all in this together if you ever played any team sports we succeed or fail together.

  3. D.R. Darke on October 16th, 2008 1:38 pm

    Aww - and I was going to join a “Draft Joe the Plumber” movement! Given his ability to reach that all-important Wealthy Blue Collar demographic - you know, the one Roseanne lives in…alongside the shark she keeps jumping…?

  4. Mary on October 16th, 2008 1:46 pm

    Help!

    I’m a CPA. I know that many, many people don’t understand that Obama is talking about 250K in Net Income when it comes to small business owner’s taxes. Even small business owners (Republican canvassers I’ve recently met) think he means Gross Receipts.
    How can I let the Obama campaign know that he needs to say Net once in while so they will get it! I wrote the Obama website, but have no confidence they will see my comment. Can you help?

  5. Matt on October 16th, 2008 1:54 pm

    ….I’m sorry. Is this based on any evidence?

    [and yes, I'm an obama supporter]

  6. lawson on October 16th, 2008 1:58 pm

    If it seems too good to be true, it probably is. And it seems a little too perfect that “Joe the Plumber” would be just exactly in the line where he’d come to terms with Barack H. Obama over his tax plan.
    An interesting point is that McCain was so concerned about Joe and his Families health insurance, but never mentioned Joe’s employees. If Joe is bringing in 250K then his taxes are going up maybe 3% total. On top of that he gets a 50% tax credit if he does cover his employees health insurance. Joe, and his family will be doing fine. But thats beside the point. With McCain the Point goes wandering out into the forest like an old lost man. Every time he was asked to address a specific issue all he could do was wander back to “Obama will raise your taxes.” That statement in fact replaced his use of the words, “My Friends,” in this debate.

  7. LaineyLu on October 16th, 2008 2:07 pm

    According to Intelius there are only 2 Joseph Wurzelbacher’s in Ohio. One is 84, the other is 61. “Joe the Plumber” appears to be younger then 61. This looks like a plant to me.

  8. Ed the Sports Fan on October 16th, 2008 2:15 pm

    That’s too funny and sad at the same time, its like they put in all this effort to try and fluster our democratic candidate…sadly 2/3rds of the nation is only going to know one side and won’t realize this side, the truth that is…nice read!

    -Ed.
    http://www.edthesportsfan.com

  9. Wiserone on October 16th, 2008 2:23 pm

    Who is “Joe the Plumber?” “Turns out that Joe Wurzelbacher from the Toledo event is a close relative of Robert Wurzelbacher of Milford, Ohio. Who’s Robert Wurzelbacher? Only Charles Keating’s son-in-law and the former senior vice president of American Continental, the parent company of the infamous Lincoln Savings and Loan. The now retired elder Wurzelbacher is also a major contributor to Republican causes giving well over $10,000 in the last few years.” And, Joe the Plumber also lived in Arizona for a time. Maybe he met McCain when he did some work on any of his 13 houses.

  10. Wiserone on October 16th, 2008 2:24 pm

    McCain should have talked about “Jack the Electrician”. Jack supports his family on $60,000 a year. Jack works hard, knows his stuff, and wants to expand the service he can bring by owning a business of people who share his work ethic and methods. That’s the American Dream, like Joe the Plumber (supposed) has achieved. Jack, however, is getting jackhammered by the economy this year. How can we make conditions more fair for Jack—it’s not even “help Jack”, it’s how can we shield Jack from more powerful people who have been helping themselves? There are many more Jacks out there.

    John, you don’t know Jack.

  11. Chris on October 16th, 2008 2:28 pm

    Well there are exactly three people named Wurzelbacher listed in the Toledo White Pages and none of them are named Joe, Joseph or any name beginning with the letter J.

  12. Darin on October 16th, 2008 2:29 pm

    Figures

  13. Sarah on October 16th, 2008 2:33 pm

    I totally agree, I think it was another McCain ploy to make Obama look bad, I think the McCain Camp,has slung enough lies, and innuendos, It looks to me McCain will do anything to get to the White House, including hiring from Central Casting.

  14. Steve Ballinger on October 16th, 2008 2:40 pm

    Somebody needs to check if he has a plumbing license in Ohio.

  15. Steven on October 16th, 2008 2:42 pm

    That’s _exactly_ what I was thinking. A $250,000 plumber? You should have heard him on Good Morning America this morning, he said people making $1,000,000 or $5,000,000 shouldn’t be taxed more because he thinks a progressive tax is “socialist”. Is this guy serious? He seems to be infected by the same virus infecting all Republicans, the fact that they want to keep this country in debt and NOT pay their fair share in order to keep the country’s infrastructure sound. People who can afford to pay more taxes should. Does Joe want the poor to be taxed more? No. Does Joe want the rich to be taxed more? No. So who the hell is paying for the $10,000,000,000 a month war in Iraq and another 10 billion for Afghanistan? What about the 700 billion dollar bailout package that was recently passed. Look at what happened the last eight years under Bush, he cut taxes for the wealthiest and doubled government spending. Democrats are always being accused of tax and spend policy, the Republicans are CUT tax and spend. The fact that the Republicans have not raised tax revenue is the reason that this country is in the financial mess that we are in and ignorant people like “Joe the plumber” are only making things worse. Please people, get educated on the subject before discussing and making yourselves look stupid.

  16. DonnieBnyc on October 16th, 2008 2:47 pm
  17. Stephanie on October 16th, 2008 3:13 pm

    It seemed obvious…..someone tell CNN and MSNBC b/c they are creaming over him.
    Ugh…..

  18. OH on October 16th, 2008 3:17 pm

    Loser McCain has enough problems, telling “Joe Six Pack”, “Youre rich”! Of course its going to come out that Joe was manufactured in China and drinks French Champagne - not six packs.

  19. dudley on October 16th, 2008 3:33 pm

    Joe isn’t Joe at all but Samuel. No evidence can be found in the public record that he is registered to vote, even tho he says he is a member of the Natural Law Party. No evidence can be found that he is licensed in the state of Oh as a plumber. There is a judgment against him by the state of Oh for non-payment of income taxes for 2007. His 3 bdrm. 1 ba. house is valued at $117,000. He is from Arizona where his wife divorced him after fleeing to a battered womens’ shelter. There is evidence that another wife also sued him for battery. “Joe” compared Obama’s answer to Sammy Davis tap dancing around an issue.

  20. Paolo on October 16th, 2008 3:34 pm

    They tried something like this in New York back in 2004 Eelection and it blew up in their faces.
    When are they going to learn?

  21. MerryMary on October 16th, 2008 3:42 pm

    STEVEN you got it going on!! Where does the f-in money the Republicans keep spending and spending and spending come from?? The common pot, government, OUR money, all of us who WORK. Jesus Christ has said “the poor are always with us”, but damn it, so are the rich! Like leeches. TAKING TAKING TAKING. Why on earth would I want to “help out” people who make more money in one day than I would make in my lifetime? Why SHOULD I? Why is it wrong to want to help out someone poor and disadvantaged?

  22. Margie on October 16th, 2008 3:45 pm

    A business sold does not necessarily cost a 4-to-1 on bottomline profit. It totally depends on where it is located, how the sale is structured and whether the owner wants to/needs to sell now or if (s)he can wait until they are offered a sweet deal. My husband recently purchased a business grossing 1.8-million annually, with no less than $300,000 net (depends on how well costs are controlled). His purchase price? $300,000

    Margie,
    Does your hubby need a partner?
    SY

  23. paul on October 16th, 2008 3:48 pm

    He’s a “plumber” in the sense that the Watergate Plumber’s were plumbers. Am I showing my age?

  24. Deborah Hardy on October 16th, 2008 3:48 pm

    Hey, everybody, the CPA is right!

    I owned a small business. While we had $100,000 pass through the business in a year, we didn’t get to keep it. That’s GROSS! The cost of employees and medical insurance comes right off the top, you do not pay taxes on it, so Joe’s remarks are specious. If Joe is making $250,000 a year net, then he would qualify under Obama’s tax increase and damn well ought to stop belly-aching and pay it. He’s no Joe 6-pack. Even if he’s not a Republican plant (and it certainly looks like he is) he probably is drinking champagne and is NOT a *small* business man.

  25. tj on October 16th, 2008 3:51 pm

    Who poses for a picture like yours on the top of your site. Honestly get over yourself.

    TJ,
    Me.
    SY

  26. ElleninBigD on October 16th, 2008 3:56 pm

    I watched part of and half listened to an interview w/Joe this morning. He also appears to belong to some finge political party. But he says he doesn’t know why he joined and what the party stands for. Unfortunately, I didn’t hear the name of the party.

  27. David Heckenlively on October 16th, 2008 3:56 pm

    If you want to track down Joe the Plumber, you check the city directory, or the local city assessors office,
    not the phone book.

  28. Chris Ziemkiewicz on October 16th, 2008 4:00 pm

    Joe the Plumber is Samuel Joseph Wurzenbacher. He is a registerd Republican and voted in the primary, but his name is misspelled on the voter rolls. I can’t find any credible link between this Joe W and the Robert W who is related to Keating. There may be a distant relationship, but Robert W is not Joe W’s father. I am happy to see Joe the Plumber discredited, but these conspiracy theories about his being a Rove plant (despite the instant Rovian exploitation of his meeting with Obama)and a Keating connection are Freeperish in their silliness.

  29. bkmur@msn.com on October 16th, 2008 4:07 pm

    Q: How deep does the Republican ability to deceive us little people go?

    A: As deep as it needs to go, virgin.

    Class warfare is real.

    Guess who started it?

  30. Sarah on October 16th, 2008 4:07 pm

    Did you do as much “research” into the ACORN voters?

    Sarah,
    Yes, but I could not find Mickey Mouse or I.P. Daily, so I gave up.
    SY

  31. Rockytonker on October 16th, 2008 4:19 pm

    It was obvious from “Joe’s” recitation of McCain talking points in Couric’s interview that he is a GOP operative. This is REALLY going to blow up in McCain’s face.

    And, for additional embarassment, during the debate, McCain couldn’t remember “Joe’s” last name correctly. So, after mispronouncing it at first, he resorted to “Joe the Plumber.”

    After considering “That Other One.”

  32. sandy on October 16th, 2008 4:19 pm

    I heard joe the plumber actually say to the cable news reporter (I kid you not)that he lived in Flordia and only found out he was actually born in Ohio when he was 18 yrs old. He then said he has a mother, father and other relatives in Ohio but he was still surprised to find out he was born in Ohio and was a “yankee”. Amazing. Old man mcinsane is going to look like a complete fool when we find out who joe the plumber really is. I’m betting he’s related to Charles Keating which I’ve read on other blogs. These people are crazy desparate.

  33. Bad Dog on October 16th, 2008 4:27 pm

    ROBERT WURZELBACHER of Cinncinati, OH = Charles KEATING’s son-in-law and major Republican party contributor. JOE WURZELBACHER of Cinncinati, OH = Randon Joe Six-Pack On The Street?

  34. Plumber's Wife on October 16th, 2008 4:27 pm

    “Joe the Plumber” is a total fake.

    My husband has be plumber here in the State of Ohio for 15 years. Several years ago, the State of Ohio passed laws requiring all plumbers, electrians, HVAC technicians, etc., to become state licensed and certified to protect consumers. My husband is also required to take 12 hours of state approved continuing education classes in Ohio Code every year, and pay licensing fees to keep his license valid. Plumbing contractor’s are no longer permitted to work in this Ohio without being licensed.

    Here is the link:
    http://elicense1-lookup.com.ohio.gov/SearchCriteria.asp?

    Joe the Plumber’s last name is “Wurzelbacker”.
    Be sure to use the drop down menu and click on “Ohio Construction Industry Licensing Board” and then type in the last name of “Wurzelbacher”.

  35. Julie on October 16th, 2008 4:38 pm

    If you look at the campaign contributions, you’ll see that Robert Wurzelbacher made a few hundred dollars from both a PO Box in Milford, OH and from his address in Florida.
    Robert Wurzelbacher was indicted in the Keating scandal.

    Milford is a suburb of Cincinnati. There are no listings in the yellow pages of Toledo, but there are listings for businesses owned by JOE Wurzelbacher in Cincinnati. More than one, actually.

    If he really said he thought he was from Florida growing up, that’s about enough proof for me.

  36. cmeyer on October 16th, 2008 5:12 pm

    Steve — the guy said he wanted to buy and expand his business and that would put him over $250K. He never said he owned a business that CURRENTLY put him over $250K.

    Close, but no Lewinsky

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  38. Lee Savinio on October 16th, 2008 5:34 pm

    “Joe the Plumber” is related to Keating. According to Lucas County, Ohio court records, one Samuel J. Wurzelbacher lives at 355 Shrewsbury Street. The said S.J. Wurzelbacher has a judgment against him for $1,182.98 in unpaid income taxes last year in Ohio. S.J. Wurzelbacher also was involved in divorce proceedings in 2006 (with the Holland address) and previously in 1997, when he had an “Arizona” address. Allegelly 2 wives, one had to go into a battered women’s shelter in Arizona.

    Nor is he registered as a plumber:
    http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081016/NEWS09/810160418/-1/NEWS

    PUBLIC RECORDS:

    http://apps.co.lucas.oh.us/onlinedockets/DocketDR.aspx?STYPE=1&PAR=DM20065458&STARTDATE=01/01/1900&ENDDATE=01/01/2100&PARTY=0

    http://apps.co.lucas.oh.us/onlinedockets/DocketDR.aspx?STYPE=1&PAR=DR19970476&STARTDATE=01/01/1900&ENDDATE=01/01/2100&PARTY=0

    http://apps.co.lucas.oh.us/onlinedockets/Docket.aspx?STYPE=1&PAR=LN200701803-000&STARTDATE=01/01/1900&ENDDATE=01/01/2100&PARTY=0

    JOE IS ALEGEDLY tied into the Keating 5 owns several business
    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/10/16/02217/845/591/632001

    NOT REGISTERED TO VOTE!!
    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/10/16/04943/642/556/632036

    Joe’s dad and family donations (no Dems in sight):

    Total for this search: $101,650

    WURZELBACHER, R M
    MILFORD,OH 45150 RETIRED/RETIRED 6/15/03 $500 Chabot, Steve (R)
    WURZELBACHER, R M
    MILFORD,OH 45150 RETIRED 6/10/03 $500 Bunning, Jim (R)
    WURZELBACHER, ROBERT M
    MILFORD,OH 45150 RETIRED 4/4/03 $3,000 National Republican Senatorial Cmte (R)
    WURZELBACHER, RM MR
    MILFORD,OH 45150 RETIRED 3/27/03 $500 Republican National Cmte (R)
    WURZELBACHER, ROBERT M MR
    MILFORD,OH 45150 RETIRED 3/27/03 $500 Republican Party of Ohio (R)
    WURZELBACHER, R M MR
    MILFORD,OH 45150 RETIRED/RETIRED 3/25/03 $500 National Republican Congressional Cmte (R)
    WURZELBACHER, R M MR
    MILFORD,OH 45150 RETIRED/RETIRED 1/13/03 $250 Conservative Victory Fund
    WURZELBACHER, ROBERT
    MILFORD,OH 45150 RETIRED 11/4/02 $200 Perkins, Tony (R)
    WURZELBACHER, R M
    CINCINNATI,OH 45213 CINCINNATI DOWEL & WOOD/OWNER 10/31/02 $200 Halleck, Mike (R)
    WURZELBACHER, ROBERT
    MILFORD,OH 45150 RETIRED 10/29/02 $200 Ganske, Greg (R)
    WURZELBACHER, R M MR
    MILFORD,OH 45150 RETIRED 10/28/02 $200 Dole, Elizabeth (R)
    WURZELBACHER, ROBERT
    MILFORD,OH 45150 RETIRED 10/17/02 $250 Talent, James M (R)
    WURZELBACHER, R M
    CINCINNATI,OH 45213 CINCINNATI DOWEL & WOOD/OWNER/OWNER 10/9/02 $200 Halleck, Mike (R)
    WURZELBACHER, R M MR
    MILFORD,OH 45150 RETIRED 10/9/02 $500 National Republican Congressional Cmte (R)
    WURZELBACHER, ROBERT
    MILFORD,OH 45150 RETIRED 10/9/02 $250 Perkins, Tony (R)
    WURZELBACHER, ROBERT M

  39. ssmitty on October 16th, 2008 5:36 pm

    Search results on name:
    Type Name State ID Status Exp. Date Company Name City State Zip County
    PL LAWRENCE WURZELBACHER 19752 EXPIRED 09/30/2002 PLUMB CRAZY OKEANA OH 45053 Butler

    There is NO Joe the plumber licensed in Ohio. More dirty tricks from the Rethugs.

  40. Thingsthatmakeugohmmm on October 16th, 2008 5:40 pm

    I looked up both spellings of “Joe’s” name on the elicense site provided by “plumber’s wife”. The supposed *correct* spelling provided by “Chris” doesn’t return any licenses. The spelling “Wurzelbacker” returns a *Lawrence* whose license expired in 2002. Interestingly, his business was called “Plumb Crazy”, lol.

  41. Jim on October 16th, 2008 5:48 pm

    Anyone looking in the Toledo white pages is looking in the wrong place. He doesn’t live in Toledo, he lives outside of Toledo. Toledo is a skanky, broke down, shell of a town and no ine in their right mind would live there, ESPECIALLY a Republican. The city is the product of 100 years of Democrat rule, and it shows.

    He lives in Holland Ohio. And, may not even have a land based phone.

  42. Yvonne on October 16th, 2008 5:48 pm

    To Chris Ziemkiewicz

    Joe the Plumber spells his name Wurzelbacher - - not Wurzenbacher.

  43. Patsy on October 16th, 2008 5:51 pm

    Since when is the American dream owning your own business? Did I miss something?

  44. emmarose on October 16th, 2008 6:25 pm

    republicans still think they can spew anything and we all will just believe it cause we’re so stupid. they never give us credit. he’s a FRAUD and is related through marriage to charles keating. jesus. and he’s not a license/registered plumber and is really from florida. oh, and according to his name, he isn’t registered to vote. gulp.

  45. Joe the Diemaker on October 16th, 2008 6:29 pm

    This guy is a tool. Typical or street level neo-cons, he thinks that he works harder than everyone else. His comments on Fox this morning about, “I work 10 to 12 hours a day” and I work harder than ‘you’ working 8 hours with 3 breaks…” A direct shot at union workers. Those same union workers who might hire him. He also is to stupid to understand the “fair distribution of wealth” argument. Truth is under the neocon ideology, a person making $10,000,000 a year isn’t happy until he can get all the money of a person making $10,000 a year.

  46. sandy on October 16th, 2008 6:33 pm

    In reply to :Plumbers wife. You spelled Joe’s name wrong. Maybe that’s why you can’t find what your looking for. Could be why you can’t find out all the negtive truthful things about Obama.

  47. rockyalive on October 16th, 2008 6:35 pm

    You know Joe… he looks a little bit like Jeff Gannon.

  48. fu all on October 16th, 2008 6:47 pm

    both candidates are beyond corrupt. BANK on it.

    http://patriotsquestion911.com

  49. Jack L on October 16th, 2008 6:53 pm

    Joe-the-plumber or not, it does not matter anyway. George Wallace said it best, “there’s not a dime’s worth of difference between” Republicans and Democrats. The Democrats willingly went along with the War in Iraq, suspension of Habeas Corpus, Patriot Act, banning books like “America Deceived’ from Amazon, Wikipedia and Facebook, warrant-less wiretapping and opening private mail. They are both guilty of treason.
    Clean them all out and save this great nation.
    Last link (before Google Books bends to gov’t Will and drops the title):
    http://www.iuniverse.com/Bookstore/BookDetail.aspx?BookId=SKU-000083883

  50. hANOVER fIST on October 16th, 2008 6:58 pm

    Just watched one of his interviews…this guy lies like a rug.

    When he was asked if he registered to vote - a pause, then his answer in the affirmative.

    When asked if he was contacted by the McCain/Palin campaign - a pause…then a lot of verbiage fumferring back and forth; “oh, ho, no…yes, I did hear from them…”

    Anyone who DOESN’T believe that this tool is a complete plant should go suck some exhaust.

  51. Batavia on October 16th, 2008 6:59 pm

    You idiots don’t listen….he goes by his middle name; that’s why you aren’t finding him. Looks like you’re all looking to do a “vetting” process on him.

  52. Ohio on October 16th, 2008 7:01 pm
  53. n on October 16th, 2008 7:24 pm

    Daian Sayer was salivating on Joe the Plumber on today’s GMA, the clip is on-line now. Joe said he is a plumber and he is registered to vote. Dian was extatic and let Joe go on with his outrage and tantram (mostly uninformed)about Obama.

  54. Sarah Palin on October 16th, 2008 7:25 pm

    I agree.. Joe is a setup and it backfired… Mavrick!!

  55. JFB on October 16th, 2008 7:27 pm

    I have felt from the beginning that this was a plant to try an make Obama look bad. Stinks to me. I don’t think he legit.

  56. DSahnnon on October 16th, 2008 9:00 pm

    Is he so poor that he’s making his own tshirts now? I just saw these: http://www.cafepress.com/downthedrain

  57. James on October 16th, 2008 9:38 pm

    Just like, Anderson Cooper, the CIA agent that turned ‘journalist’, it looks like the only room left is for the propaganda machine and its minions.

    If it’s being done, it’s being done for a reason.

    Every American that wants a return to jobs, a sound economy, and an end to endless war needs to speak up now.

    Instead of sticking these signs up in our yards we need to put out a sign that gets OUR message across: NO MORE!

    We can’t expect them to change so WE MUST do it for them. DO NOT VOTE! Refuse to allow this insanity to continue another four years. Stop buying into ‘change’ when the agenda NEVER changes.

    If 99% of Americans refused to vote, on the morning of Nov. 5th martial law would be declared and the truth about who runs this country would be plain for everyone to see.

  58. Brian on October 16th, 2008 10:26 pm

    Most of America doesn’t make over $250,000, so why the big deal about this guy? I’m just not so sure when Obama talks about people who are hurting, he’s talking about the quarter of a million in net income folks.

  59. Barton McClaine on October 16th, 2008 10:38 pm

    As a business broker, I can assure you that few, if any, businesses of that size and sort are selling for 4 X earnings before interest and taxes.

    BUT

    As a certified looooooney lib, you miss the point.

    Business of that size or plus one or ten million will be hurt by Obama’s “spread the wealth around”
    Marxism

    As a matter of fact in forty-five years of voting I have never seen one politician of either party,
    except for Reagen, who has done what he said he would do about tax policy or much else.

    Both McCain and Obama are liberals. So we will be getting taxed, big! The problem I see with Obama is that he is a socialist. He will not only tax us to death, but he will actually try to change our system. In short, OBAMA wants to kill the golden goose.

  60. Styao on October 16th, 2008 11:54 pm

    What is his police record? His criminal past history, if any?

  61. James on October 17th, 2008 12:21 am

    What’s wrong here? Are you afraid of accepting the truth. Sad thing is that these boards are just as censored as the media. Too bad you feel the need to perpetuate the hate and destruction the liars in power hold.

    It’s all a bunch of propaganda hunh?

  62. Jana on October 17th, 2008 5:45 am

    I am just sick to see all the negative media….. not only do they cover the canidates negatively. but they also want to pick on Joe the Plumber.. come on. I can see it now all the news reporters gathered together… what can we find on this guy Joe?
    well, He asked a question.. that’s all he did, he made known a dream of owning a business and what he thought might happen to that plan if the financial plan came about.. He looked the politician straight in the eye and asked a question. now you have the NEWS media looking for all sorts of back ground on him
    BACK OFF and leave him be
    let him enjoy the lime light for a bit
    and yes some working class hard working people have a tainted past and do owe back taxes. get over it…………

  63. Heidi Stevenson on October 17th, 2008 6:34 am

    Wurzelbacher is definitely not a plumber - and he owes the state of Ohio $1,182 in back taxes. http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-joe17-2008oct17,0,3836666.story

    McCain’s story is a fraud.

  64. Sam Dobermann on October 17th, 2008 7:01 am

    Terrific story about “Joe, the plumber” at the Toledo Blade. Seems that Joe is a registered Republican and voted in the Republican primary this year. I guess he just forgot.

    He is not a licensed plumber but works for a guy with a license and think that’s good enough. (I have a feeling that the business may go down knowing they use unlicensed, untrained plumbers.)

    Any way, Joe not only lived in Arizona for a time, but he lived in Alaska for 4 years when he was in the military. There are 2 huge military bases in the Anchorage area, right down the road from Wasilla. I wonder if they met. Sarah was just getting her start as mayor of Wasilla back then and was on a roll.

    Amazing how quickly McCain picked up this “accidental” meeting with good old Joe. Or was he following Obama around to accidentally meet him with his cock-a-mamie story.

  65. Sam Dobermann on October 17th, 2008 7:34 am

    Barton McClaine: don’t look now but the Republican party has killed, plucked and roasted the “golden goose” and is serving us the leavings then giving US the bill.

  66. tufty on October 17th, 2008 3:42 pm

    Who cares whether or not this particular guy is making $250 thousand a year as plumber, physician or rodeo clown? Is that really the point? Because if it’s not this ‘Joe’, there are plenty other Americans who make $250 thousand a year or more.

    The point is, Senator Obama made it perfectly clear that he believes in wealth distribution. There are plenty of people that also believe in that type of policy. You either agree with it or not. Don’t apologize for it.

    Personally, I don’t trust the governement to do the right thing with my money; nor do I expect that anyone else should have to pay for my way through life(regardless of whether they make more or less than me).

    Personal responsibility and self reliance!

  67. James B on October 17th, 2008 3:49 pm

    Joe is most likely either a Blackwater employee or a special branch of our propaganda machine. Has anyone cared to check out his body language. His arms are crossed in the clip of him confronting Obama and his interview on Good Morning America. People that have dug up information on this guy corroborate the FACTS. HE IS A LIAR. IF he is a liar someone is paying him to decieve that American people.

    What about the story about the 106 year-old nun from Italy that can’t wait to ‘vote’? That is just as much a phony piece of crap as Joe is. Is there anyway to PROVE her existence?

    REVOLUTION is the only solution to the situation we are in, like it or not.

  68. Justin Thyme on October 17th, 2008 9:42 pm

    If “Joe The Plumber” is real or not, really is not the point. When a citizen points out something that a politician claims, all supports of the politician will find some kind of fault with the citizen. So instead of looking closer at what the politician claims, it is easier to just try to shoot down the citizen.

    Real or not, the facts still stand that a family making $249,999 with a tax of 33% will end up with the same amount after taxes as a family making $257691 with a tax of 35%. My family doesn’t make anywhere close to that so it is not important to me. Plus, when you look at BARACK OBAMA’S COMPREHENSIVE TAX PLAN you will see that it doesn’t refers to NET or GROSS INCOME of “Families making more than $250,000″. I agree with the CPA (Mary – see October 16th, 2008 1:46 pm post) in that it really needs to be made clear since it makes the world of difference to small businesses.

    Now as for what the CPA didn’t seem to have read in BARACK OBAMA’S COMPREHENSIVE TAX PLAN. Did you know that CPA’s nationwide will see a loss of “more than $2 billion in tax preparer fees and more than 200 million hours of work”? As far as I know CPA’s are usually part of “lower- and middle-income families”.

    Vote Charles Baldwin (Constitutional Party) because Obama and McCain alike is just more of the same Dem. and Rep. party crap.

  69. sharon woody on October 18th, 2008 4:34 am

    Oh yes, the McCain camp is going to put a man in a house in a neighborhood because they know Obama is going to visit that particulr neighborhood, oh yes and all the neighbors are in on the conspiracy too. Lets not forget that they made sure he has an unpublished number or maybe they made sure the phone was in someone elses name. Get a life, please.

  70. sharon woody on October 18th, 2008 4:52 am

    Who care’s whether he is licenced or whether he is a plumber, a McCain plant or who is relatives are. The point is people who work hard to get a good education so they can better themselves and work hard at accomplishing their goal to provide for themselves, their children and maybe grandchildren should not have to hand their money to someone that has not made equal sacrifices to get to that point. I am a student and I for one want what I have earned and sacrificed for. Long nights losing sleep for having to study, having to sacrifice time that could be spent with the children, barely making ends meet because of the high cost of books and tuition, stuggling to make sure those grades are adaquate to keep whatever scholarships you are receiving. It should be my choice as to who I want to make those sacrifices for.

  71. UnaffiliatedIndie on October 18th, 2008 6:03 am

    Forget the character attacks, however deserved or not. Let’s deal with the actual issue that was raised. Here’s a relevant excerpt from the (very) conservative Wall Street Journal’s article of OCTOBER 17, 2008, ‘As Joe the Plumber Grows Famous, the Politics Get Murkier’:

    “To reach a level that would be affected by Sen. Obama’s proposed tax increase, Mr. Smither said, a mom-and-pop plumbing company like Newell would have to clear $5 million in annual sales. [Joe’s company actually reports only $100,000 in sales.]

    Even if Mr. Wurzelbacher reaped taxable income from his business of $280,000 a
    year, he’d pay only about $900 more a year in taxes under Sen. Obama’s plan, which
    would raise the tax rate on the income between $250,000 and $280,000 to 36%
    from 33%.

    [...]

    If Mr. Wurzelbacher earns the wages of a typical Ohio plumber, $40,600, and holds a $90,000 mortgage, he would see a TAX CUT (emphasis added) under Sen. Obama’s plan of more than $1,000, compared with no tax reduction under Sen. McCain’s.

    If he succeeds in buying the plumbing business where he works, he could see even more tax benefits, including Sen. Obama’s proposed elimination of capital-gains taxes for small-business investment, a 50% tax credit to purchase health insurance for employees and a $3,000 tax credit for every new hire over the next two years.”

    Other issues and ‘things we wish were true’ aside, better to acknowledge facts and deal with them objectively.

  72. alan on October 18th, 2008 2:17 pm
  73. Jim Lundberg on October 19th, 2008 12:47 am

    WE ARE NOT “TAXPAYERS” people. They can not tax us with an “Income” tax if it they consider it direct tax, because it is not apportioned. If they consider it an indirect “excise” tax, then they must be taxing a revenue event. Wages are not “Income” because they are NOT gain from capital investment and/or labor. Gain is the profit from combining capital and labor, but the labor part is what is use to create profit, but is not gain itself. see Brushaber v. Union Pacifice Railroad Co., 240 U.S. I, 16-17 (1916)

  74. DA.Law on October 19th, 2008 5:11 pm

    As to buying a business grossing 1.8 M annually for $300,000, as Margie pointed out it depends on “whether the owner want’s to/needs to sell now.” Look at the major corporations on the books and then notice you can buy their stock for pennies on the dollar, because despite their gross. First with the internet and now real estate, those folks thought how great it was that they could get so much for so little, which went against all common sense. Now, both markets are in crisis because reality regained control. I am sure there are situations like her’s out there, and plenty of businesses to be had at bargain prices, but exceptions do not make the rule, so I wish her luck.

  75. mud_rake on October 20th, 2008 1:51 am

    I live in Toledo, just about a mile from “Joe the Fake Plumber”

    To see what I’ve compiled about him, check out this page from my blog:

    http://manwiththemuckrake.blogspot.com/2008/10/toledos-joe-plumber-isnt-licensed.html

    mud_rakes last blog post.."They say you won’t vote for a man who’s black."

  76. ReadingReallyDumbBlogs on October 23rd, 2008 9:21 pm

    OK, let’s see if I have this straight: Barack Obama went down a street in Ohio where the RNC happened to plant a relative of Charles Keating to pose as a plumber so that he could go over to the Big O and ask him just the right question to get him to confess he is “spreading the wealth.” Then, a bunch of idiots immediately reacted by investigating whether this regular Joe impersonator has a perfect record, rather than think about the impact of having a “spread the wealth” socialist society during an economic downturn. Don’t that beat all.

  77. ann on October 25th, 2008 1:45 pm

    joe the plumber may be a plant by the mcgain campian, he’s not even a plumber . he is also related to one of mcgain’s buddies . read the natiional enquirer. joe is flushed out

  78. Dean Carter on October 30th, 2008 7:26 pm

    You idiots. Who cares if “Joe the plumber” is really a plumber. Who cares if he is registered to vote. I don’t care if he’s a convicted felon or not. It was a great question. Barry spilled his guts and revealled his true socialist/communist tendancies. WHAAA, WHAAA, WHAAA. You people call conservatives Nazis? Unbelievable how blind you folks are. Obama had his thought police do an investigation on a private citizen. Gimme a freakin’ break. Barry doesn’t have a snowballs chance in HELL to run this great country!! GET OVER IT LIBS!!!!

  79. wayne on October 31st, 2008 6:43 pm

    JOE isn’t the average plumber.

    with these addresses you appear to have done some “specialty” work while you were at the AFBs???

    355 SHREWSBURY ST, HOLLAND OH 43528-9520
    30 DERBYSHIRE RD, TOLEDO OH 43615-5515
    5956 WALNUT CIR APT APT-I, TOLEDO OH 43615-6601
    5768 STEFFENS AVE, TOLEDO OH 43623-1633
    1960 W KEATING AVE APT 150, MESA AZ 85202-7011
    1960-A W KEATING AVE APT 592, MESA AZ 85202-7077
    7195 W ODESSY WAY, TUCSON AZ 85743

    1214 CEDAR AVE UNIT B, GRAND FORKS AFB ND 58204-4033
    GENERAL DELIVERY, GRAND FORKS ND 58201-9999

    3397 DELWOOD ST, NORTH POLE AK 99705
    736 OUIDA WAY APT A, NORTH POLE AK 99705-7684

    6620 BRINT RD, SYLVANIA OH 43560-3122
    6871 E SUNNY DRIVE TUCSON, AZ, 85712 7950 E STELLA RD APT 13K, TUCSON AZ 85730-1947

  80. HVAC on November 18th, 2008 12:04 am

    The entire joe the plumber saga was just another failed attempt by the republicans to do anything right in this past election.

  81. Tyler on January 17th, 2009 10:56 am

    How come you liberals can dig up stuff from Joe the Plumbers past, yet you avoid Obamas relationships with terrorists?!

  82. Russ S. on February 15th, 2009 10:33 pm

    Way to go Joe. If you can make $250,000 in this economy then you are a rockstar. Most of us probably won’t even be paying taxes this year, or next, the way things are going under Obama. The stimulus, a.k.a. spending plan at $34,000 per capita is going to leave several generations of Americans broke.
    Keep up the good work and pay your taxes.

  83. Sauna on May 3rd, 2010 8:25 pm

    Hard to believe it took people so long to figure out Joe the plumber didn’t know a pipe wrench from a p trap.

  84. gchq on May 14th, 2010 3:41 pm

    No surprise here. The whole thing about Joe the Plumber was too much of a coincidence. Wouldn’t surprise me to hear the Republicans paid him just to make Obama look bad.

  85. storage birmingham on July 19th, 2010 3:11 pm

    A guy in my neighbourhood thought that this Joe guy was the real deal. I remember us having a lot of arguments about it because he was so sure Joe was genuine while I was convinced the whole thing was fake.

  86. HPMICR on July 29th, 2010 10:07 am

    Come on lets leave Joe the plumber alone already! The poor man was used as a political tool and he has paid a price when it comes to privacy.


    hp micr

  87. Molly on May 10th, 2011 1:41 am

    Why am I not surprised by this news. That whole aspect of the campaign was a complete joke. Lets hope for more dignified candidates in the next election.

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